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| September Dawn | 
 enlarge | Director: Christopher Cain
Actors: Dean Cain, Lolita Davidovich, Terence Stamp, Jon Voight, Jon Gries
Studio: Sony Pictures
Category: DVD
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Avg. Customer Rating:  47 reviews
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Format: Ac-3, Closed-captioned, Color, Dolby, Dubbed, Dvd-video, Subtitled, Widescreen, Ntsc
Languages: English (Original Language), English (Subtitled), Spanish (Subtitled), French (Subtitled), French (Dubbed)
Rating: R (Restricted)
Number Of Items: 1
Running Time: 111
Aspect Ratio: 1.78:1
Shipping Weight (lbs): 1
Dimensions (in): 7.5 x 5.4 x 0.6
MPN: COLD19816D
UPC: 043396198166
EAN: 0043396198166
ASIN: B000XJ5TOU
Theatrical Release Date: 2007
Release Date: January 1, 2008
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A tale of ill-fated love & senseless murder set against the backdrop of a great tragedy in the american west. Studio: Sony Pictures Home Ent Release Date: 01/27/2009 Starring: Jon Voight Trent Ford Run time: 111 minutes Rating: R
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September Dawn is an unusual hybrid: a love story, a Western, a historical drama, and a statement against religious intolerance. The fit between the four parts is uneasy at best. Christopher Cain (Young Guns) begins in 1877 as Utah governor Brigham Young (Terence Stamp, making no effort to disguise his British accent) presents his side of the story. (The director's son, Dean Cain, cameos as Joseph Smith.) The narrative then returns to 20 years before: A Missouri wagon party seeks permission from Bishop Jacob (Jon Voight) to rest on his land for a fortnight before continuing to California. Jacob gives his consent, but comes to regret his hospitality; after all, the state of Missouri forced his people to flee in order to practice their religion in peace. Then his son, Jonathan (Trent Ford), falls for the "gentile" Emily (Tamara Hope). Jacob becomes convinced the travelers will corrupt his entire community if he doesn't take action, so he negotiates with the Paiute tribe to execute the lot of them, leading to the Mountain Meadows Massacre of September 11th, 1857. On that date, as many as 140 settlers were killed, some by Native Americans, some by Mormons. Though the movie may have been made to "set the record straight," it seems more likely to offend modern-day members than to provide catharsis for descendents of the victims. Suffice to say, September Dawn was not produced with the support of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. --Kathleen C. Fennessy
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 Accurate History-riveting December 20, 2008
1 out of 1 found this review helpful
This movie tells it like it was without any shading by the LDS Church.The R rating made it hard for LDS to see it however.(for the violence).
Having read several accurate texts about this 9-11 massacre in 1857,it is true to the tee,except for the individual romance which helps make the story more palatable.
The survivors pictured at the end special section , helps one fully realize that this was a real life event.
I only wish the LDS.leadership would acknowledge that there were more implicated than John D.Lee the only one executed for his part.Orders definitely did come from higher up.
The Mormon Jesus November 25, 2008
2 out of 6 found this review helpful
The Mormon Jesus:
1.The literal son of god and his goddess wife begotten in the pre-existence.
2.The brother of all spirits born in heaven in the premortal existence.
3.One of 3 gods in the godhead.
4.The Trinity is three separate gods.
5.First one to receive a spirit body.
6.Atoned for sin on the cross and in the garden of Gethsemane.
The Christian Jesus:
1.Not the literal son of god and his goddess wife.
2.Not the brother of all spirits born in heaven in a premortal existence.
3.Not one of 3 gods in the godhead.
4.The Trinity is 3 persons in one God.
5.Was always spirit from eternity.
6.Atoned for sin on the cross alone
Mormon Prophet Admits He Believes in Another Christ
Paris, France - In a surprising admission during last month's three nation European speaking trip, Mormon president Gordon B. Hinckley stated that the Christ he believes in is not the same Christ as the one followed by those outside the LDS Church.
It is interesting that Hinckley states that the beliefs of traditional Christians were so different than that of Latter-day Saints, that their traditional Jesus "is not the Christ of whom I speak." It is not just some different information about the same Jesus but a completely different Jesus.
Christians should ask, "Which Christ?" The Bible warns of false teachers who promote "another Jesus whom we have not preached" (2 Corinthians 11:4)
Polygamy:
Under threat of exile to Mexico the Mormon church officially abolished polygamy in the earthly realm in 1890. However, by virtue of secret temple ceremonies Mormon males like Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, as well as contemporary Mormon leaders remain sealed to multiple wives in the heavenly realm. Thus, the practice of polygamy promoted by Smith - who, by the way, had 27 plural wives, and Young, who had 55 wives and 57 children - was merely transferred to the Celestial Kingdom.
By relegating polygamy to the eternal realm Mormon leaders managed to comply externally with societal norms while still maintaining an eschatological basis for the subjugation of women. Such spiritual sanctioning of polygamy was not only an affront to the value and dignity of women, but stands in direct opposition to Jesus' teaching that at the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage.
The Mormon practice of polygamy finds its genesis in the teachings and practices of Joseph Smith who, in 1843, received an eternally binding revelation. According to Smith, apart from the practice of polygamy there was no hope of attaining to godhood. The everlasting commandment of polygamy revealed to Smith was considered so binding that Brigham Young ominously declared "If any deny the plurality of wives and continue to do so, I promise you that you will be damned."
And, of course, the Old Testament clearly reveals the strife and temptations that accompany the practice. Solomon, of course, is the quintessential example of one whose legacy of faithfulness was compromised because of his polygamous behavior. Despite world-renowned wisdom Solomon's peaceful and prosperous rule ended in idolatrous strife, scandal and in civil strife as well because the Bible tells us his wives turned his heart after other gods. There is, therefore, absolutely no biblical support for the Mormon practice of polygamy either in this life or the next.
Mormonism and the Claim to Restoration:
In response to this teaching, we should ask Mormons exactly how the church could manage to glorify God "throughout all generations" -- as the Apostle Paul clearly wrote in Ephesians 3:21 -- if they fell into total apostasy. We should also point out that Ephesians 4:11-16 talks about the church growing spiritually mature, not spiritually degenerate. The Bible does affirm that there will be apostates, but according to 1 Timothy 4:1 only "some [not all] will abandon the faith." This passage alone is enough to prove that Mormonism is wrong about the church falling away altogether.
Smith and other Mormons need to realize that they're teaching the exact opposite of what Jesus Christ of Nazareth proclaimed in Matthew 16:18 -- namely, that not even the gates of hell would prevail against the church of God. Furthermore, Hebrews 12:28 states that God's kingdom is unshakable, while Daniel 2:44 refers to it as indestructible. There can be no doubt that Mormonism contradicts what the Bible says about the perseverance of God's people -- the living church of God. Remember, it was Joseph Smith who attacked Christianity. He said that all their sects were wrong, their creeds an abomination, and their professors corrupt
 The PAST as judged by the PRESENT September 4, 2008
1 out of 4 found this review helpful
The film takes the anti-Mormon historical accounts of the event as fact. Again, modern Americans use a cinematic event to judge and condemn people of former times with current attitudes. This gives modern Americans the opportunity to feel righteous indignation against other people. YES the event did happen. Did Brigham Young order it or did John D. Lee commit the massacre on his own? Since we can only read what is written by observers of the times we will never know. This will not stop modern bigots who were not there in 1857 from using this film to condemn the Mormon Church of today. Anything to be offended. It provides these hypocrites the same self-satisfaction that Krystalnacht provided the Nazis.
 A movie of hate, to condemn hate--how ironic! August 30, 2008
3 out of 6 found this review helpful
I think this could have been an important and powerful story to tell. But like any movie "based on real events", there is an obligation to at least get the general facts right. Sadly, that opportunity was not only missed, but it seems clear, intentionally distorted by the producer who stated in interviews that his film was to show his disdain for relgion and his belief that all relgion leads to fanatical acts of violence. It was his ode to moral relativism between Muslim fanatics and Christian fanatics. But, sadly, that ain't history Mr. Cain! His film lacks all perspective in its haste to show Mormons as evil. In his haste to make one-dimensional villains of the Mormons, to draw his imagined parallel to all religous fanatics, Caine even forgot to give the most basic context to explain the back story of the paranoia and fear that culminated in the massacre. He forgot to mention the approaching attack of Johnston's army into the Utah territory believed to be coming to attack the Mormons, or the 600 dead Mormons along their "trail of tears", nor the stolen farms, murdered leaders, and "wolf-hunt" atrocities committed by the anti-Mormon mobs on the Mormons from 1836 to 1846. Yet, in this "hollywood" movie, made for profit, only the basic colors of black and white are used, creating both false history, and poor story-telling. Yes, the tale is tragic, but as they say; "the devil's in the details." Most glaringly, the facts in history actually do NOT show a Brigham Young conspiracy, which is the core smear of this movie. Historical facts show that Brigham Young was not even aware of the Fancher party problems (300 miles away) until the massacre had already happened. No phones, ya know! But, for people who like sound-bite history, with the evil slathering villains always clearly defined with silly, fanatical hand-gestures and wild eyed foaming dimentia...then this is the film for you. The sad thing is the story itself is compelling BECAUSE of the true facts. Yet when this film ignores the facts, and instead goes for over-dramatic, simplistic fictionalized buffoonish characters, it actually undermines the real drama by simplistic, bombastic drama-of-the-week drivel. It becomes a vehicle of the very bigotry and hate, that it would pretend to condemn. I found it amateurish, dishonest, and clearly designed to malign and smear instead of inform. This story still needs to be told. But sadly, this piece of drivel doesn't do it. It's a propaganda film full of the very same deluded, self-righteous, condescending anti-religious hatred that it rants against. Plus...it's just BAD acting. To accentuate the soulessness of the Mormons, they have to be drawn as wooden, robotic, colorless drones--which also sucks the life blood out of the movie itself. I was kinda glad when the butchery started, as at least it woke me up. And frankly, by that point I was kinda hoping somebody would start killing the actors! It SUCKS for so many reasons! A good film however to demonstrate how to make a bad propaganda film. Can someone with talent and some sense of historical obligation try this again please?
 With the proper respect due to any organized religion that August 20, 2008
1 out of 3 found this review helpful
is tax exempt. If it is a true event, it really speaks volumes about the intellegence of the people and I've read that the human race gets dumber every generation. Boy are we in trouble!
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